Episode 15

The Metaverse as an accelerator for school change (ft. Dwayne Matthews)

In this episode, I speak with Dwayne Matthews, who makes his second appearance on the podcast. Dwayne is a Chief Innovation Evangelist and Future of Education Strategist. He helps school boards, educators and parents understand new and evolving themes in the 21st century, the future of work and how to help prepare children to thrive in a rapidly evolving digital information driven world. I have thought about and written on the possibilities of the Metaverse and wanted to speak with Dwayne about his experiences and insights. He brings a richness to the conversation that is unparalleled and I'm hope this opens up more conversations about possible futures, which don't have to be dystopian. In this episode, we discuss:

  • How the Metaverse and other technologies might put school as we know it out of business;
  • How Dwayne and younger learners from around the world co-creates a (proto-)Metaverse learning experience.


  • How being underwhelmed by what we buy (including tech) and do may be the way out of climate disaster.


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The Coconut Thinking podcast brings together educational provocateurs who are re-thinking school as a concept and a space.