Episode 11

Zen and the art of biophysics: On leadership and learning (ft. Ginny Whitelaw, Ph.D.)

In this episode, I speak with Ginny Whitelaw. Ginny is the founder of the Institute for Zen Leadership, a Zen Master in the Chozen-ji line of Rinzai Zen, as well as President of Focus Leadership. She is a recognized expert in leadership development and executive coaching and has authored 4 books, including The Zen Leader. A biophysicist by training, she combines a rich scientific background with senior leadership experience at NASA, and more than 20 years developing global leaders. Ginny brings ancient wisdoms and contemporary science together to make us question the dominant narrative of control in schools, the one that is built on cause and effect to reach outcomes. We discuss:

  • How quantum physics and Zen wisdoms share the same understandings of an interconnected universe;
  • How the mechanistic views upon which our schools depend are losing their legitimacy opening doors for regenerative, ecosystemic perspectives;
  • How learning is a shared experience built on dynamic relationships, not just with each other, but with the natural world, through capacity building.


Join us for this episode and check out our blog on www.coconut-thinking.design.


The Coconut Thinking podcast is made in partnership with Intrepid Ed News (www.intrepidednews.com) and you can find Ginny and more information on Zen leader on on https://zenleader.global

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The Coconut Thinking podcast brings together educational provocateurs who are re-thinking school as a concept and a space.